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People Don't Have To "Get Over" Everything

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Dear Margo: Twenty years ago, I lost my job and couldn't find another one. My savings ran out, and bit by bit, I hocked everything until I was left with only the clothes on my back. My mother had a three-bedroom house, but she was dating for the first time since my father died, and when I asked if I could stay with her until I was on my feet, she said it wasn't "a good idea," as "Ed" sometimes spent the night. I stayed with friends, moving from week to week to avoid wearing out my welcome.

With nowhere to turn, I joined the military. The soonest I could leave for boot camp was four months. To tide me over, I got a job at a fast-food restaurant. I had run through all of my friends' couches and needed a place to stay for just three days until I got my first paycheck. Mom said that even for that short period of time it wasn't "convenient" for me to stay with her. For three nights, I slept in a field. On payday, I rented a room where my neighbors were prostitutes, drug addicts and rats.

Today, I have my own home and a good job. Mom now lives in an independent living complex. She is quickly reaching the point where she will no longer be able to live on her own. If her options are moving to a nursing home or living with me, then she's going into a nursing home. I simply cannot forget our history. What shall I say when she asks why I won't let her live with me? — Cannot Forget

Dear Can: I would tell her "it's not convenient" and perhaps she should call Ed. I totally understand where you're coming from. I have always thought we earn the treatment we get in life. Don't spend a minute feeling guilty. This is a selfish woman with seemingly no motherly instincts.

— Margo, guiltlessly

Write Her Off for the Time Being

Dear Margo: My husband and I had our first child six months ago. I work from home and have a relatively flexible schedule, so I'm able to care for the baby during the week with some help from friends and family. My mother works part time and offered to cover one day a week to help out. However, since she started, she has complained to anyone who will listen about how far of a drive it is. She also has made other negative or snarky comments about the effort she's making and what other things she could be doing instead. The situation came to a head recently when she claimed that my husband and I did not show enough appreciation.

Needless to say, I suggested we end the once-a-week arrangement. In a mildly "colorful" conversation, I told her it was difficult to bend over backward thanking her when she is constantly complaining, and that I didn't know what she expected from two new parents trying to adjust to their new lifestyle.

Two weeks later, we drove to my parents' town for my 30th birthday dinner, and she didn't show up — only my father did. I'm at a loss as to how to quell the family drama and move forward. — New Mom

Dear New: Sorry to state the obvious, but who's the baby here: your infant or your mother? As for managing the family drama, you did the right thing by bagging the weekly granny duty. (Her loss; I would give anything to be within a car ride of "my" new baby.) Moaning and groaning certainly detracts from her "gift" and is the polar opposite of "gracious." Your mother's childish behavior will either fade into the background — or it won't. I am guessing you could live without the drama quite nicely. — Margo, acceptingly

Dear Margo is written by Margo Howard, Ann Landers' daughter. All letters must be sent via the online form at www.creators.com/dearmargo. Due to a high volume of e-mail, not all letters will be answered.

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Happy Mother's Day?
Comment: #1
Posted by: MT
Sat May 12, 2012 12:05 AM
@MT LOL I guess not for these folks!
Comment: #2
Posted by: Claudia
Sat May 12, 2012 12:30 AM
LW1 you have to ask yourself if you were a total pain in the butt being raised, that may be the reason your mom didn't want you to live with her. You don't say if you visit your mom often and what kind of relationship you have now, or, if you have kids, her relationship with them. If she was always that cold, then make sure you put her in a top notch nursing home, and wave goodbye when she gets there.
Comment: #3
Posted by: happymom
Sat May 12, 2012 6:17 AM
Re: MT

Hilarious! Is Margo trying to tell us something with the timing of these letters?
Comment: #4
Posted by: nanchan
Sat May 12, 2012 6:55 AM
The LW1 lost his job 20 YEARS ago and couldn't find one until his fast food job??? Fast food jobs were available during that time and easy to get. He mooched off of friends for 20 YEARS! Who was feeding him and clothing him for 20 YEARS? This 'man' was in his early 40's when he joined the military? (since most teenagers don't have savings to amount to much). Joining the military in ones 40's is very unusual. Are we all reading the same letter? LW states " To tide me over,." What does this even mean? If mom took him in back then I'm guessing he would still be there today waiting to put mom in that nursing home. His mothers refusal to allow him to live with her was a good move on her part. It only took him 20 YEARS to grow up. The only thing that suprises me is that he had enough friends to sucker into letting him take advantage of them for 20 YEARS! Sounds like mom hasn't asked to move in with him so no problem there. This letter is just too odd to be real.
Comment: #5
Posted by: Penny
Sat May 12, 2012 7:00 AM
I always agree with Margo and continue to do so. Just because people are blood related does not mean you have to like or get along with them. If anyone does not work with my life - I don't need them. Example is a family member and I do not see each other, no calls, no cards etc., simply because she was always a taker and I got tired of being the giver and the person always getting calls only if something was needed. GO Margo!
Comment: #6
Posted by: j1p
Sat May 12, 2012 7:10 AM
NO Penny -- this happened 20 years ago, it hasn't been going on for 20 years. RE READ the letter.
Comment: #7
Posted by: j1p
Sat May 12, 2012 7:12 AM
j1p, Nevermind...
Comment: #8
Posted by: Penny
Sat May 12, 2012 8:20 AM
I think Margo failed to consider "the other side" in both these letters.
LW1: A parent does not owe continued support to adult children. Perhaps she had to make a difficult decision because she knew her child would only become responsible if forced to (and it sounds like that is what happened). On the other hand, neither does a child owe parents ongoing support.
LW2: Making a long drive weekly to spend a day caring for an infant takes real effort. While grandma should have scaled back rather than complain, mom could have graciously given her an out by saying, "It sounds like this is more than you bargained for. Perhaps we should discontinue the weekly visits." Instead she had a "colorful" conversation where she complained about "bending over backwards" and asked "what do you expect?". I can understand why grandma felt unappreciated -- her daughter does sound ungrateful. I think they both could be more understanding and mature.
Comment: #9
Posted by: Logical
Sat May 12, 2012 1:04 PM
LW1: I'm confused as to why you're writing for advice since you answered your own question quite well. You really need to give that a lot of thought. You should also give a lot of thought as to why she was in your life after she did that to you. That's really sad.

LW2: You could slap some sense into your mother but I doubt that will work so how about you just accept that your mother is a tool that you don't need?
Comment: #10
Posted by: Diana
Sat May 12, 2012 2:26 PM
To Poster #11, please consider that snide, not particularly witty personal attacks such as the one you posted today are a large part of the reason the Dear Annie comments were suspended. You may also want to consider that a personality which gets a thrill out of generating controversy and emotional invective by posting unpleasant things about other people, is similar to the type of personality which gets a thrill out of making obscene phone calls. Whether you're calling yourself "Bloom" today, or some non-funny variation on the real Miss Pasko's name, it gets tiresome after a while.
Comment: #11
Posted by: sarah morrow
Sat May 12, 2012 11:34 PM
Re: sarah morrow

Excellent post!

Happy Mother's Day to all BTL who are moms!
Comment: #12
Posted by: nanchan
Sun May 13, 2012 3:37 AM
Re: nanchan

I agree that Sara Morrow said what needs to be said in an excellent manner. Hopefully the trolls won't shut down ALL the comments on Creators and ruin it for those of us who enjoy commentinig BLT in a respectful, adult manner.

I second her Mother's Day wishes to all the Moms out there.
Comment: #13
Posted by: Kitty
Sun May 13, 2012 6:00 AM
LW1-
Yes, this sounds like something that happened 20 years ago and which the LW cannot forget - with good reason: what kind of mother can't put up her child even for three days?

LW2 -
"She claimed that my husband and I did not show enough appreciation."
I think this is the crux of the matter. There are people who only do things for others so that they can exhibit an eternal brownie point in flashing neon like a trophy, and expect to be continually praised to high heaven forever and a day. Your mother sure looks like she's one of them.

As Anne McCaffrey states in the Dragonriders Series, "Gratitude is an ill-fitting tunic that can chafe and smell if worn too long". You mother offered, and then demanded that you to be eternally wet with gratitude and remember how good she was being to you every time you drew breath.

Just don't accept help from her anymore about anything. Make the arrangements you would have made if she had never offered and pretend this never happened. If she wants to continue sulking like a spoiled brat, there ain't nothin' you can do about that. At least your father knows the right of it.

Comment: #14
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun May 13, 2012 6:18 AM
Re: The Obese Miss Pasko (Or whoever)

I'm curious. What is your view on LW1. Does he have a right to be angry at his mom twenty years later? Do you think there might be another side to the story? I am wondering if he had traits that made his mother refuse to allow him back home. Or do you think his mom is just that self centered.

And what about LW2? Do you think the letter writer is being too hard on her mother? Or does her mother just enjoy complaining.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts on these letters. Can we stick to them, please?
Comment: #15
Posted by: Datura
Sun May 13, 2012 6:58 AM
LW1 - I'm curious why the LW wouldn't just tell the truth, "Mom, I won't help you now because 20 years ago, when I really needed your help, you left me on the street." Why not just tell the truth instead of dance around it? It might even give Mom the chance to say she's sorry (if she is) or that if she had it to do over again, she'd do differently (if she would). I get the feeling LW has stewed about this for 20 years and never told Mom how much this hurt him/her.
LW2 - Agree with Margo that bagging the weekly granny duty was absolutely the right call, but disagree that LW can live the rest of her life without her mom. Terrible advice, to dump your mother because she was rude & LW was rude back. LW should tell her mom she regrets her part of the colorful conversation, extend a peace offering like inviting her to dinner at LW's home, and try to repair the breach so they are speaking again. But if mom offers to babysit again, graciously decline.
Comment: #16
Posted by: kai archie
Sun May 13, 2012 8:16 AM
I am a mother myself, and I fail to understand the selfishness and cold-heartedness of this man's mother. What kind of mother refuses to let her son stay with her for THREE DAYS, just because her boyfriend 'might' be staying overnight? It's not as if he was a lazy unemployed bum who was leeching off her while smoking weed and playing video games. She sounds like a cold woman who never really loved him. No wonder he did everything he possibly could before being reduced to asking her for this one small favor.

She lets him sleep in a field for three days? Good thing it wasn't winter. I wonder why he couldn't find a homeless shelter, but maybe this was a small town that didn't have any close by.

He doesn't need to feel guilty about putting her in a home. If she becomes seriously unable to function on her own, he might not be able to take care of her all by himself anyway. Frankly, many people would say that for him to give her any care at all is more than she deserves.

To all posters,

Don't bother responding to ugly posts like #11. Report them. It's the only thing that works. This forum was never meant to be a vehicle for mean-spirited attacks on other people. It's too bad the comments section on Annie's Mailbox had to be suspended, and it's grossly unfair to posters who only want to state their opinions. But that's what has to happen when this type of cruelty gets out of control
Comment: #17
Posted by: JMG
Sun May 13, 2012 9:43 AM
Re: JMG

I totally DISAGREE with the final part of your post.

Reporting posts is what got Annies shut down. Lise, in her role as self proclaimed moderator, started THAT approach and it FAILED!!!! That's one reason why I hold her partially to blame for the site being shut down. I don't agree with the posters who trolled the site and attacked her, I think they were wrong as well. But since the site is/was not OFFICIALLY monitored, the complaints about posts were what triggered Creators to shut things down.

If you ever want to see Annies come back, IGNORE THE TROLLS do NOT REPORT THEM. It feeds the egos of the people (Lise included) who just cant' comment on the LWs, who have to call attention to Lise. Let is GO.
Comment: #18
Posted by: nanchan
Sun May 13, 2012 10:51 AM
Re: Penny

Um,....he's saying all this HAPPENED 20 years ago. If you read clearly he's obviously been out of the military for quite some time-if his mom is getting ready for a nursing home. Not to mention, the military has an age limit so even if he became unemployed at 16, he could not join up 20 years later.

Some longtime friends of my hubby lived with us 4 months last year-friend, wife, and kid. They had just moved to town and were getting on their feet. I have 4 kids of my own and didn't even know the friends all that well, but they were welcome to stay with us. I can't imagine how horrible my own kid would have had to be to not even get 3 NIGHTS. Mom is in the wrong, here. Nursing home her sans guilt.
Comment: #19
Posted by: farrar sanchez
Sun May 13, 2012 5:48 PM
I think Lise it the main troll at Annie's Mailbox. Arcaman and here because she wants to be the center of attention. I am NOT a sock puppet of anybody. At Delphi, she brings up how everybody picks on her, she feels sooooooooooooo alone, she is so talented, etc. when it has nothing to do with the discussion. And at Delphi, you are told not to take anything to other comment sites, but it is perfectly ok to bring things from other sites to Delphi. The "clique" there is oh so nice to each other, but they rip they letter writers to shreds. I didn't always agree with her on the Annie's Mailbox comment board, but felt that nobody be should be bulled like she was. But after reading the posts at Delphi, like I said, I think she is the troll.
Comment: #20
Posted by: tired of it
Sun May 13, 2012 6:25 PM
JFTR, I wouldn't have needed two years plus recovery on just a broken ankle. The injury I sustained was much more serious and, if not for recent surgery techniques, I wouldn't have walked normally again. I do have permanent sequels that make it impossible for me to stand for long periods of time.

Also, I would like to point out that I am only partially on Welfare because I'm also on Quebec pension now that I turned 60 (to which I contributed all my life through salaried work), and the amounts are deducted. Every penny I earn as an artisan is also declared, and anything over a certain amount is also deducted. I am not doing anything I should feel guilty about.

And oh, BTW, I have NEVER proclaimed I was, or wanted to be, the moderator here... I am not, don't want to be, and even if it could be one of the BTL posters, I think Hedhehog, Sarah Morrow or Mike H would be much more suited than I - they're all wiser, more diplomatic and much more the voice of reason than I could ever be, especially Mike.

I didn't want to feed the troll and restart the controversy, but a lie which is never contradicted becomes the truth after it has been repeated often enough, especially when it seems to come from multiple posters who are actually all the same person. This is a matter of be darned if you do, be darned if you don't... Sigh.

Comment: #21
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun May 13, 2012 8:37 PM
Oh, and before I forget... of COURSE we discuss the letters AND the posters on Delphi. The very raison d'etre and name is "Advice Column Fanatics", remember? And we discuss MANY MORE such columns, as the evil bunch that we are, yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck!
Comment: #22
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Sun May 13, 2012 8:48 PM
Re: tired of it

Agree.
Comment: #23
Posted by: nanchan
Sun May 13, 2012 11:51 PM
Delphi is open to anyone to go see for themselves that "tired of it" is completely inaccurate in their characterization of that space and Lise's contributions in particular.

It's a particularly sad kind of trolling to try to "tell tall tales" about one forum in another forum, expecting that most people won't actually go look for themselves to find out that the "tall tales' are, in fact, a bunch of BS yet again trying to justify bullying of Lise and letting the bullies off the hook scot-free.

Sad. And sad to those enablers who agree with the strategy of blaming the victim rather than keeping the focus on the bullies who actually violated the site policies in the first place.

@nanchan, you yourself have a history of wildly-attacking and off-topic posts and for a while the majority of posters thought YOU were the problem (these posts are also available for people to go back and see for themselves).

You have LONG had an obsession with Lise and attacked her out of turn, so you are HARDLY an objective or reliable commentator on this subject.

Again, it's a bit shameful that you gloss over your own behavior -- which you NEVER apologized for, by the way -- as if your own reputation was so squeaky-clean.

If you keep this up, I'll happily go back and post the specific dates for everyone to check out for themselves just how bizarrely you behaved.

STOP JUSTIFYING BULLIES, Nanchan -- it's shameful. Just because you don't like the target of the bullies DOESN'T MAKE THE PERSONAL ATTACKS RIGHT.

Just shameful behavior on your part, nanchan, shameful.
Comment: #24
Posted by: Mike H
Mon May 14, 2012 4:00 AM
First - thank you Mike H for your eloquent part in this discussion.

Re: tired of it
You claim "I am NOT a sock puppet of anybody", yet we have not had any visits at ACF Delphi by someone with the screen name "tired of it". Nor has anyone there (to my recollection) claimed to post at Creators as "tired of it". We do not mind lurkers. We have plenty of people who do that, and we understand that not everyone has time/inclination to post.

We all try our best to be honest and explain our opinions on the various subjects that crop up. What more can anyone ask? I would not call us a clique - we have plenty of disagreements - we are hardly Stepfordian automatons! Come back any time and join in any discussion. You'll find some who agree and some with alternate opinions. THAT is what we like about it, FCOL ~~ the open minded friendship.

If anyone wants to visit Advice Columns Fanatics Delphi, you'll get a warm welcome from me.


Comment: #25
Posted by: Beguiling Miss Pasko
Mon May 14, 2012 5:17 AM
I wish some people on this board would take their personal differences to email or some other forum where they could talk among themselves about their differences. It's conversations like this that closed down the comments board on the annie's site. This is supposed to be a forum to discuss the letters and the advice in the advice columns, not your differences with each other.
Comment: #26
Posted by: kai archie
Mon May 14, 2012 5:28 AM
Re: kai archie #26

You have a very good point. For the most part, what do you think we've been trying to do? May I refer you to Annie's Mailbox, comment #48 on 24 March 2011 - (Sister Wants Answers From Distant Brother). Yes, that is correct ~~ "2011".

. ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' . ' .
(p.s. sorry if this is a double post, I tried to include a link in the first draft)

Comment: #27
Posted by: Beguiling Miss Pasko
Mon May 14, 2012 6:44 AM
Why is it OK to bash nanchan, Carly O, Joyce (did you know, Joyce, that they think you go on and on about your boring life?) and others at Delphi? That is NOT discussing the columns, which is the reason the give for not bring Delphi here when they say it is OK to Creator's stuff there.

I urge you to go to Delphi and see for yourself that this is true, contrary to what Mike H says. The bashing of posters here is not in the Column discussions - you have to read the other threads. But the you can get a taste of the way they jump on letter writers in the colums.
Comment: #28
Posted by: connie.meier.cpa@gmail.com
Mon May 14, 2012 8:41 AM
Oh, yeah. Not a sock pocket - that it my real name. I'm not ashamed to tell the truth as I see it, although I did mean to post my e-mail. If Lise can say what she did about Jewish men under her real name, I can use mine. Who? Me? she said about that. It's totally worse when she doesn't even realize it.
Comment: #29
Posted by: connie.meier.cpa@gmail.com
Mon May 14, 2012 8:51 AM
Re: connie.meier.cpa@gmail.com
Why is it okay to bash nanchan? Probably because she has been bashing ME for some days now, and blaming me for everything, even though I'm busy trying to mind my own business and I'm only guilty of existing as far as she, Bloom Hilda and assorted hate-Lise posse are concerned. But I guess that's okay with you.

I would kindly remind you, kai and whoever might agree that everybody was nicely discussing the letters on topic... until post #11 happened. And post #11 has been removed, by the way.



Comment: #30
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Mon May 14, 2012 8:53 AM
CMeier--you were on Delphi for about 30 minutes. We made you welcome. I know I did and so did some of the others. You said you enjoyed the TMI section, which obviously isn't even about the advice columns. Maybe one or two people made an offhand comment about some of these people you mention. We've got well over a hundred members and hundreds of threads.

You dug back through old posts, because some of these comments were at least 6 months old, some maybe even a year. That's not all we're doing at Delphi, and you know it.

So yes, please, everyone else, come visit us and see for yourself.
Comment: #31
Posted by: Joannakathryn
Mon May 14, 2012 9:33 AM
Bitey Fish thinks that anyone who doesn't like the Delphi group should quit whining and make their own group.
Comment: #32
Posted by: Piranha in Pajamas
Mon May 14, 2012 10:40 AM
Re: connie.meier.cpa@gmail.com
I was repeating what my Jewish best friend has been saying for the 35 years I've known her. And it was validated by other posters who took the trouble to register and post for the time to report cases in point. If that makes me horribly antisemitic, I'm hardly the only one, many of them Jewish, both born and converted.

Comment: #33
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Mon May 14, 2012 10:46 AM
Beguiling Miss Pasko ~~~ Bitey is so beguiled Bitey hardly knows what to do!

<:-))))>-<

Comment: #34
Posted by: Piranha in Pajamas
Mon May 14, 2012 10:46 AM
@CMeier, I'll double-down on that invitation for everyone to see for themselves. Delphi is primarily talking about advice columnists and sharing of personal stories and jokes and all sorts of off-topic requests. In fact, it was started as a way to try to keep the off-topic posts OFF of Cre0tors, at the request of others on this board -- and then some of the haters followed us to Delphi anyway!!!

And then tried to bring back stories from Delphi to Creators to stir up more trouble!!! (How self-defeating is THAT behavior, hunh?)

The posts you refer to are a very small fraction of what goes on at Delphi -- and certainly Creators has had a much higher proportion of personal attacking going on than at Delphi.

I honestly don't know why people continue to stir up trouble or bring up old fights. We're supposed to all be adults here. We don't have to like each other, and that's okay -- but the level of personal venom is not only unnecessary, it's against the forum rules.

I'd personally love it if we had a moratorium on trying to dredge up old fights or trying to keep on stirring up the same old trouble. I'd love it if we could simply call a board-wide truce, and just get back to commenting on letters.
Comment: #35
Posted by: Mike H
Mon May 14, 2012 10:47 AM
Apparently I have been blocked from Delphi because *I* can't say anything against anybody or tell the truth about what is said there, but they can attack posters from here and the letter writers all they want. Saying I was there for 30 minutes? How about every noon hour at work and an hour or so at night? And I said I enjoyed the TMI thread BEFORE I saw how they talked about people that didn't post there. That info was in the "PSA" and "suspended until futher" notice threads. Old posts? I don't think so. The threads I just mentioned are obviously recent. And Lise says she is being libled? What about her accusations that nanchan has multiple sock puppets?
Comment: #36
Posted by: CMeier
Mon May 14, 2012 10:54 AM
Hello everyone! So, I have been mostly lurking on the Creators site for the last ten years. No joke, I have actually been coming here and reading the comments for ten years while rarely commenting myself (I have sometimes commented under the name Sarah M). That is master level lurking right there! He he!
Anyway, I have to say that I am quite frankly very disturbed by the constant attacks and bullying of Lise. Honestly, I don't even understand why some person/people have chosen to target Lise in particular. I have also noticed bullying of Ms. Pasko, who seems like a very nice and helpful woman. The whole thing is very high school and immature. Also, I have enjoyed Lise's posts for years now. She always give thoughtful advice, even if I don't always agree completely, and I actually enjoy the interesting tidbits about her life experiences.
I would also like to say that there are a number of awesome regulars on here and I really enjoy reading all of y'alls opinions!
Comment: #37
Posted by: Sarah Gianfortune
Mon May 14, 2012 11:19 AM
And so the arguing, bickering, and picking on people begins again. How old are you all? It would appear that some people learn their lessons after the first time (Annie's comments being shut down), and the rest of you all learn it never.
Why can't you guys be nice to each other? I really do not get it.
Comment: #38
Posted by: kristen
Mon May 14, 2012 11:58 AM
Re: Sarah Gianfortune
Thank you. This is much appreciated.

Comment: #39
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Mon May 14, 2012 12:11 PM
Re: kristen
Some people have nothing but venom in their heart, and so that is all that ever comes out.

The comment section on the Annies is back, up and running, by the way.

Comment: #40
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Mon May 14, 2012 12:13 PM
The comments are back up at Annies WITH THE WARNING FROM THE WEBMASTER:

Commenting is re-enabled for this column. Please follow Creators' commenting policy and be respectful of one another.
Comment: #1
Posted by: Webmaster


Let's keep our fingers crossed that people can (a) stay on topic and (b) not post personal attacks.
Comment: #41
Posted by: Mike H
Mon May 14, 2012 1:32 PM

first of all, I said in my post that I also felt the people who bullied Lise were WRONG (read the post)
.
Secondly, I do hold Lise partially responsible. She continues to do this same stuff HERE.

Thirdly, I am entitled to my opinion.

Fourthly, Mike, you should have noticed that in the last two months I have mostly stayed on TOPIC. I only bring this stuff up with Lise because she contributed to the site being SHUT DOWN. How? She encourage people to report posts. That overloaded the Web Master.
See you over at Annies.
Comment: #42
Posted by: nanchan
Mon May 14, 2012 5:47 PM
Posters have a mind of their own thank you, I'm not the boss of them and they do not need me to encourage them to do anything, not to mention that I don't remember conductung a campaign, a lot of different people suggested reporting posts that are inappropriate.

And I continue doing WHAT stuff here, breathing? I'm minding my own business and trying to stay on topic, but it's not enough, it's never enough, NOTHING is ever enough.

Comment: #43
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Mon May 14, 2012 7:16 PM
Bitey Fish thinks it is very naughty of the webmaster to put a "Report this post" button after every comment.

Comment: #44
Posted by: Piranha in Pajamas
Mon May 14, 2012 9:11 PM
@nanchan, if you've avoided Lise's posts and stayed on topic so much, how come you never seem to miss an opportunity to chime in and "agree" with someone who blames Lise for the brouhaha? That's hardly staying on-topic.

Lise's posts are consistently on-topic and NOT in violation of Creators comments policy. The fact that you hold Lise at all responsible for being bullied against the rules of Creators is something I still find shameful.

I also think it's VERY important that people realize you are NOT the least bit objective where Lise is concerned, and for a time you were one of the very worst personal attackers on the board.

If you don't want to be reminded of that time, so be it -- but stop trying to sneak in little digs at Lise as if you were somehow an objective, neutral third party -- because you are anything BUT that where Lise is concerned.

And the evidence of your attacks are in the archives for anyone to see for themselves, I don't require anyone to take my word for it.

If you truly want to stay on-topic, then STOP inserting yourself into the attacks on Lise, period. Just don't mention her at all. It's not enough just to stop responding to her posts, stop chiming in and piling on her as well. That would go a LONG way to prove you really have turned over a new leaf and are honestly sincere in your desire to stay on-topic.

It's entirely up to you.
Comment: #45
Posted by: Mike H
Tue May 15, 2012 6:57 AM
Just couldn't help but point out how ironic the title of this column is as applied to some of the posts here at the BTL. Yeah, people don't have to get over everything -- and lots of people simply WON'T get over anything.
Comment: #46
Posted by: Lisa
Tue May 15, 2012 8:56 AM
This seems like a good time to remind folks once again about places they can go to discuss the letters.

On Delphi, look up 'Advice Column Fanatics'. I am not a part of this one, but I understand that it contains many of the regular posters from Creators and is very active.

On Facebook, type 'About the Letters' in the search field. This is my group and has just started. We are very slowly picking up activity. Membership mostly consists of a couple of lurkers from here and people coming in from other places. Everyone is welcome - even if you or I may have had issues in the past. All I ask is that we stick to the letters.

Comment: #47
Posted by: Datura
Wed May 16, 2012 7:21 AM
Re: Comment #47

Bloom Hilda is an internet bully with a personal axe to grind and who frequently makes personal attacks in violation of Creators' comments policy, and was in fact frequently deleted by the moderators as a result. Readers of the comments should take what Bloom Hilda says about Lise and myself with a large grain of salt, as truth is less important than being nasty and off-topic with Bloom Hilda. If the post is particularly offensive, feel free to report it, but please take it as a given that they aren't being objective about this, ignore the post, and let's get back to focusing on the letters.
Comment: #48
Posted by: Mike H
Wed May 16, 2012 8:48 AM
Bitey Fish thinks Bloom Hilda is full of poo and not worth biting.

Comment: #49
Posted by: Piranha in Pajamas
Wed May 16, 2012 10:16 AM
It would seem that comment #47 has been removed. Thank you, Mpderators, and I'm not the one who reported it.

Comment: #50
Posted by: Lise Brouillette
Wed May 16, 2012 10:16 AM
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